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		<title>By: Beth Waddel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth Waddel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Jan 2011 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Linda,
I, too, love how we have reconnected after all these years. The last reunion ( and only ) reunion I went to was the 40th. I wish there would have been more opportunities to chat with everyone, but I did get to connect with my old dancing partner Beth Fadler who I hadn&#039;t seen in 40 years. What a treat that was !

The isolation of being a widow I think comes with the territory, but can get really toxic. I, too, have a tendency to isolate because I automatically assume that people don&#039;t want to be bothered by my stuff.

Like you, as a widow getting out and joining groups is so crucial. I am not a real quilter, but going to quilt classes was a lovely way for me just to be with people. I love to exercise but after Rob&#039;s death I literally did not have the physical stamina to do it.

We know that social support has an incredible impact on our physical health, far more than we have known before. Recent Gallop polls suggest that social support trumps all sorts of other &quot;bad health habits&quot; in predicting length of life.
So many widows feel stigmatized initially and wonder how to fit into the circles that formerly belonged too. I am sure it&#039;s the same with divorce or other life changes as well.

Again, reaching out to the newly widowed is a way to create that new social support that is so often needed. Much the way we are reaching out to people we went to school with 40 years ago. Although we may not have been in the same friendship circles then, we certainly are developing them now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Linda,<br />
I, too, love how we have reconnected after all these years. The last reunion ( and only ) reunion I went to was the 40th. I wish there would have been more opportunities to chat with everyone, but I did get to connect with my old dancing partner Beth Fadler who I hadn&#8217;t seen in 40 years. What a treat that was !</p>
<p>The isolation of being a widow I think comes with the territory, but can get really toxic. I, too, have a tendency to isolate because I automatically assume that people don&#8217;t want to be bothered by my stuff.</p>
<p>Like you, as a widow getting out and joining groups is so crucial. I am not a real quilter, but going to quilt classes was a lovely way for me just to be with people. I love to exercise but after Rob&#8217;s death I literally did not have the physical stamina to do it.</p>
<p>We know that social support has an incredible impact on our physical health, far more than we have known before. Recent Gallop polls suggest that social support trumps all sorts of other &#8220;bad health habits&#8221; in predicting length of life.<br />
So many widows feel stigmatized initially and wonder how to fit into the circles that formerly belonged too. I am sure it&#8217;s the same with divorce or other life changes as well.</p>
<p>Again, reaching out to the newly widowed is a way to create that new social support that is so often needed. Much the way we are reaching out to people we went to school with 40 years ago. Although we may not have been in the same friendship circles then, we certainly are developing them now.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda T</title>
		<link>http://donotgrievealone.com/2007/11/02/there-are-no-happy-hermits/comment-page-1/#comment-793</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jan 2011 07:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have always not only been an introvert, but have always spent a lot of &quot;alone&quot; time. After the 5 yr illness and eventual death of my 3rd husband on 8/23/08 (but &quot;the one&quot;) I spend even more time alone in the &quot;hermitting stage&quot; Beth so eloquently explained.  I recognize when I need to reach out and get back in touch with friends.

My late husband was astute in urging me to get involved with groups before his death to make friends and have a network to rely upon once he did pass to his terminal illness. I joined a knitting group at the local senior center, and the year following his death I joined a quilting guild. My girlfriends are so important to me now and I cherish them.

I want to be more outgoing. I&#039;ve always been spontaneous, always ready for a road trip which are most usually taken alone as I want to be free to take side trips, stop for a tour of a historic site, etc. I visit people along the way which is my way of also connecting with others.

Beth, I don&#039;t know if you made the class reunion last year of Warren High Class of &#039;69, but we have reconnected even though we didn&#039;t know hang with each other in school. I love that so many of us have kept in touch after the 40th reunion and hope to continue these friendships.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have always not only been an introvert, but have always spent a lot of &#8220;alone&#8221; time. After the 5 yr illness and eventual death of my 3rd husband on 8/23/08 (but &#8220;the one&#8221;) I spend even more time alone in the &#8220;hermitting stage&#8221; Beth so eloquently explained.  I recognize when I need to reach out and get back in touch with friends.</p>
<p>My late husband was astute in urging me to get involved with groups before his death to make friends and have a network to rely upon once he did pass to his terminal illness. I joined a knitting group at the local senior center, and the year following his death I joined a quilting guild. My girlfriends are so important to me now and I cherish them.</p>
<p>I want to be more outgoing. I&#8217;ve always been spontaneous, always ready for a road trip which are most usually taken alone as I want to be free to take side trips, stop for a tour of a historic site, etc. I visit people along the way which is my way of also connecting with others.</p>
<p>Beth, I don&#8217;t know if you made the class reunion last year of Warren High Class of &#8217;69, but we have reconnected even though we didn&#8217;t know hang with each other in school. I love that so many of us have kept in touch after the 40th reunion and hope to continue these friendships.</p>
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		<title>By: PA Divorce Lawyers</title>
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		<dc:creator>PA Divorce Lawyers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Oct 2009 18:09:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice post - thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice post &#8211; thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Umbrage, Part 2: &#8220;There Are No Happy Pcyhologists,&#8221; Declared the Happy Hermit (Though It Didn&#8217;t Really Matter) &#171; Blog from a Hermit Dot Com</title>
		<link>http://donotgrievealone.com/2007/11/02/there-are-no-happy-hermits/comment-page-1/#comment-561</link>
		<dc:creator>Umbrage, Part 2: &#8220;There Are No Happy Pcyhologists,&#8221; Declared the Happy Hermit (Though It Didn&#8217;t Really Matter) &#171; Blog from a Hermit Dot Com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 03:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Dr. Peterson&#8217;s speciality, positive psychology, sounds great to me. It&#8217;s geared toward promoting what&#8217;s right with us rather than just trying to fix what&#8217;s wrong with us. I also realize Dr. Peterson&#8217;s &#8220;no happy hermits&#8221; statement is addressing the psychological dangers of social isolation - a valid point. But isolating and choosing solitude (temporarily or for longer periods) are two different behaviors and I think Psychologist Beth Waddell does a fair job of addressing those differences in her responsive post here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Dr. Peterson&#8217;s speciality, positive psychology, sounds great to me. It&#8217;s geared toward promoting what&#8217;s right with us rather than just trying to fix what&#8217;s wrong with us. I also realize Dr. Peterson&#8217;s &#8220;no happy hermits&#8221; statement is addressing the psychological dangers of social isolation &#8211; a valid point. But isolating and choosing solitude (temporarily or for longer periods) are two different behaviors and I think Psychologist Beth Waddell does a fair job of addressing those differences in her responsive post here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: BillB</title>
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		<dc:creator>BillB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 12:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The transition may be a transition of empty-nest, divorce, illness, whatever….anytime we are redefining our Self whether by choice or by circumstance&quot;  Ilike the terms we are using here &quot;transition&quot; &quot;redefine&quot;  going thru some late bold career changes right now and it is intimidating...to say the least.  Isolation will be defined individually and i feel a person will realize that point if it begins to build a wall. Thomas Moore book looks very good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The transition may be a transition of empty-nest, divorce, illness, whatever….anytime we are redefining our Self whether by choice or by circumstance&#8221;  Ilike the terms we are using here &#8220;transition&#8221; &#8220;redefine&#8221;  going thru some late bold career changes right now and it is intimidating&#8230;to say the least.  Isolation will be defined individually and i feel a person will realize that point if it begins to build a wall. Thomas Moore book looks very good.</p>
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		<title>By: JC</title>
		<link>http://donotgrievealone.com/2007/11/02/there-are-no-happy-hermits/comment-page-1/#comment-47</link>
		<dc:creator>JC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 22:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Beth, Just found your blog.  I&#039;m so computer illiterate that I didn&#039;t even know what a blog was.  Wow, I&#039;m so jazzed you turned me onto this and others, and will surely give you some input, but not right now.  I&#039;m off to LIVING MY LIFE for what feels like the first time in decades.  I&#039;m Pres. of my condo&#039;s homeowners&#039; assoc. and must take some ACTION.  Feels good to feel good.  Much love to all of you, Your Cuz Jane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Beth, Just found your blog.  I&#8217;m so computer illiterate that I didn&#8217;t even know what a blog was.  Wow, I&#8217;m so jazzed you turned me onto this and others, and will surely give you some input, but not right now.  I&#8217;m off to LIVING MY LIFE for what feels like the first time in decades.  I&#8217;m Pres. of my condo&#8217;s homeowners&#8217; assoc. and must take some ACTION.  Feels good to feel good.  Much love to all of you, Your Cuz Jane</p>
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		<title>By: Beth Waddel</title>
		<link>http://donotgrievealone.com/2007/11/02/there-are-no-happy-hermits/comment-page-1/#comment-46</link>
		<dc:creator>Beth Waddel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the important element here is the motivation to be alone, or not. And, I totally agree that there are folks out there who surround themselves with people out of the fear of their own company.

I think that the research is suggesting that it&#039;s not so much introversion or extoversion that is the &quot;happiness key&quot;, but instead an element of engagement with others that is important. I can be introverted (ie gathering energy from being by myself), while at the same time be very engaged with friends and family. The critical key here, I believe, is that people are happiest when they have significant relationships with people. I imagine when the shy or retiring person was encouraged to engage with others by either smiling or striking up a conversation with someone, rather than walking with head down and not establishing eye contact, they reported greater happiness. 
It seems to me that once again the notion of ISOLATION is the issue, and as you suggest, it&#039;s the motivation BEHIND the isolation that is critical here. Is the alone time rejuvenating, as it is for introverts, or is the alone time a way to avoid interacting?
Long story short, I agree, I don&#039;t think the research really suggests that extroversion = happiness, that is a huge stretch. i think the research suggests that engagement with others in a meaningful and purposeful way contributes to happiness and well-being.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the important element here is the motivation to be alone, or not. And, I totally agree that there are folks out there who surround themselves with people out of the fear of their own company.</p>
<p>I think that the research is suggesting that it&#8217;s not so much introversion or extoversion that is the &#8220;happiness key&#8221;, but instead an element of engagement with others that is important. I can be introverted (ie gathering energy from being by myself), while at the same time be very engaged with friends and family. The critical key here, I believe, is that people are happiest when they have significant relationships with people. I imagine when the shy or retiring person was encouraged to engage with others by either smiling or striking up a conversation with someone, rather than walking with head down and not establishing eye contact, they reported greater happiness.<br />
It seems to me that once again the notion of ISOLATION is the issue, and as you suggest, it&#8217;s the motivation BEHIND the isolation that is critical here. Is the alone time rejuvenating, as it is for introverts, or is the alone time a way to avoid interacting?<br />
Long story short, I agree, I don&#8217;t think the research really suggests that extroversion = happiness, that is a huge stretch. i think the research suggests that engagement with others in a meaningful and purposeful way contributes to happiness and well-being.</p>
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		<title>By: NW</title>
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		<dc:creator>NW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peterson&#039;s statements make me wonder how he defines happiness, introversion, and extroversion. Our culture admires and rewards extroverts, and I tried to shift towards that for a long time. But I found much peace upon accepting that I am basically an introvert--the definition being that introverts get their energy by going within. Acceptance and stopping the chase after something I wasn&#039;t brought more happiness instead of less. For me, balance is the pivot point. Too much of either takes us to the wrong place. But what is too much for me will be just fine for someone else.

I wonder if the motivation to be alone (or not) is what is important here. To wall off from people and experiences out of fear is out of balance. On the other hand, who hasn&#039;t run into people who surround themselves with others out of fear of the silence and dealing with what&#039;s going on within? So, saying that extroversion brings happiness seems like a stretch to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peterson&#8217;s statements make me wonder how he defines happiness, introversion, and extroversion. Our culture admires and rewards extroverts, and I tried to shift towards that for a long time. But I found much peace upon accepting that I am basically an introvert&#8211;the definition being that introverts get their energy by going within. Acceptance and stopping the chase after something I wasn&#8217;t brought more happiness instead of less. For me, balance is the pivot point. Too much of either takes us to the wrong place. But what is too much for me will be just fine for someone else.</p>
<p>I wonder if the motivation to be alone (or not) is what is important here. To wall off from people and experiences out of fear is out of balance. On the other hand, who hasn&#8217;t run into people who surround themselves with others out of fear of the silence and dealing with what&#8217;s going on within? So, saying that extroversion brings happiness seems like a stretch to me.</p>
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		<title>By: LS</title>
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		<dc:creator>LS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 15:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think there are times when being a hermit is a good thing.  It gives me a chance to work though things in my own head.  
On the other hand I can also get lost in my own little world and the longer I stay there the more my walls go up and I block people out.  It also makes it even harder for me to force myself back into the world of people.  
So I guess that in my mind it is  a good thing, but just like everything else we (I) can push that good thing to a point where it is no longer working for me but against.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think there are times when being a hermit is a good thing.  It gives me a chance to work though things in my own head.<br />
On the other hand I can also get lost in my own little world and the longer I stay there the more my walls go up and I block people out.  It also makes it even harder for me to force myself back into the world of people.<br />
So I guess that in my mind it is  a good thing, but just like everything else we (I) can push that good thing to a point where it is no longer working for me but against.</p>
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		<title>By: BF</title>
		<link>http://donotgrievealone.com/2007/11/02/there-are-no-happy-hermits/comment-page-1/#comment-41</link>
		<dc:creator>BF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 03:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm...hermitting fits the modern tradition of &quot;verbing&quot; a noun. Issues &quot;impact&quot; voters, for example. So if doing what a hermit does is &quot;hermitting,&quot; so be it. And if &quot;to hermit&quot; enters the dictionary, then Beth Waddel&#039;s name will be in the OED, along with the first usage of the verb form of &quot;hermit.&quot; That&#039;s how a living language evolves, right?

Now a question for you, Miz Beth. If there are no happy hermits (a concept I agree with), does that mean that we don&#039;t need or benefit from time alone, to recharge our batteries, to think about our options, to take care of physical needs (like working out), or, yes, to nurse our wounds? Isn&#039;t being a hermit a habitual, continuing action? So if we don&#039;t STAY like hermits, can&#039;t we have a balance?

I don&#039;t mean to quibble, but it seems to me that you&#039;re warning against being habitually alone, rather than seeking occasional &quot;alone time.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm&#8230;hermitting fits the modern tradition of &#8220;verbing&#8221; a noun. Issues &#8220;impact&#8221; voters, for example. So if doing what a hermit does is &#8220;hermitting,&#8221; so be it. And if &#8220;to hermit&#8221; enters the dictionary, then Beth Waddel&#8217;s name will be in the OED, along with the first usage of the verb form of &#8220;hermit.&#8221; That&#8217;s how a living language evolves, right?</p>
<p>Now a question for you, Miz Beth. If there are no happy hermits (a concept I agree with), does that mean that we don&#8217;t need or benefit from time alone, to recharge our batteries, to think about our options, to take care of physical needs (like working out), or, yes, to nurse our wounds? Isn&#8217;t being a hermit a habitual, continuing action? So if we don&#8217;t STAY like hermits, can&#8217;t we have a balance?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mean to quibble, but it seems to me that you&#8217;re warning against being habitually alone, rather than seeking occasional &#8220;alone time.&#8221;</p>
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